[Solved] Problem - Sedit - Slip the hip flask with poison

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[Solved] Problem - Sedit - Slip the hip flask with poison

Post by ddguy71 » Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:29 pm

I have a problem with completeing the deputy's quest.
I sneak into sheriffs room, steal his flask and then plant the poisoned one on him.
After that I leave the premises, but deputy doesn't register the quest completion.
I tried leaving Seddit for a few days and returning but to no avail.
Am I doing something wrong? Should I just plant explosives on him instead?

I tried to talk to his wife and bang her to add an insult to injury, but she calls me a thief and attacks as soon as I talk to her.

BTW is there a point in taking sex appeal as a male in this game? The only female who wanted to have sex with me without compensation was a ghoul.

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Re: Problem - Sedit - Slip the hip flask with poison to Sher

Post by Daemon » Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:56 pm

Try to throw away original flask (the one without a poison) - Don't have it in your inventory.
Please, let me know, if it helps. There's maybe small bug.

Thanks to sex appeal, some NPCs may want to have sex with you or just like you even when they wouldn't have without it.

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Re: Problem - Sedit - Slip the hip flask with poison to Sher

Post by ddguy71 » Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:59 pm

Worked like a charm thanks :)
Paying off the cop at the gate to do It for me worked as well.

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Re: Problem - Sedit - Slip the hip flask with poison to Sher

Post by Daemon » Mon Jul 18, 2016 5:02 pm

Great. Thanks for verification. I'll fix it for the next version of the game.

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Re: [Solved] Problem - Sedit - Slip the hip flask with poiso

Post by marsalandrei » Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:21 pm

How did you pickpocket it to the sheriff? I assume you must have done the ghoul quests and you were welcome inside his villa? I did Rodriguez quests so the ghoul quests were locked to me. And when I started the deputy quests and was asked to poison the sheriff I gave 1000 caps to the guard to let me in, but only being able to speak to a few family members inside. When I go the sheriff he will ask me what I'm doing there and initiate combat, since I'm not supposed to be in there. I have high thieving skills so I said no problem, but no matter how I try to sneak when you get right behind him to pickpocket he will always notice you before you can slip the poison so it's impossible to give the vial to him. Tried with 115 sneak, no matter how i do it when i get adjacent, behind him he will always notice me and talk to me and then attack. I've already robbed his safe and desk with just 70 sneak without him noticing, but i bumped it to 115 sneak with saved points and it looks like it just can't be done, it's a game mechanic that enemies always notice you in a second or two when you are standing right behind?

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Re: [Solved] Problem - Sedit - Slip the hip flask with poiso

Post by ronn1e » Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:10 pm

Talk with his maid and give flask to her. 100% speech skill is enough.

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Re: [Solved] Problem - Sedit - Slip the hip flask with poiso

Post by marsalandrei » Mon Aug 15, 2016 8:01 pm

Oh I already resolved it by giving 3500 to the guard outside to poison the sheriff, my speech is 20 anyway. I tried planting the vial on the cook or other places but wasn't recognizable. But I am saying this quest should obviously be doable by pick pocketing the sheriff, yet in this situation where I'm not welcome in the villa because I haven't done the ghoul quests it is impossible to do so, the sheriff being hostile. Sneak just won't work, after a second being behind him he detects you and attacks.

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[Suggestion] Sedit - Slip the hip flask with poison

Post by marsalandrei » Tue Sep 27, 2016 11:13 am

This is my first playthrough so I don't know much about the game yet, but while browsing the forums I did learn that if I had helped the ghouls in Sedit instead of the casino boss Rodriguez I would eventually be welcome in the sheriff's villa. Since I did Rodriguez quests instead, I ended up not being welcome. I have a character with high thieving skills, but low (20) speech. So I bribed the guard outside to get inside the villa, and naturally I attempted to sneak and pickpocket the flask to the sheriff, however the game doesn't let you do that no matter your skills because there's a mechanic where you always get detected in about 1 second of being right next to an NPC. Pickpocketing animation takes maybe 2 seconds so I just couldn't pickpocket him from behind before he initiated dialogue and attack me. I robbed his office blind with my 70-120 (saved skill points to see if I needed more) sneak yet because of game mechanics it's impossible to pickpocket him when he is scripted to initiate dialogue and attack when the player isn't welcome in the villa. I know you can ask the cook to do it with speech or if you don't have speech bribe the guard some more, which is what I did to solve the quest, but to me it seems like a viable alternative as a thief character to be able to slip the flask onto the sheriff myself. I imagine this is an actual alternative in the game already, but I'm sure it only works if you did the ghoul quests and are welcome inside the villa and the sheriff won't attack you. However in my case, it's just not possible to do when the sheriff is supposed to kill you for trespassing.

TL DR: It is no problem to pickpocket friendly targets, but it's impossible to pickpocket hostile targets/targets that become hostile when they notice you, because they detect you in sneak mode in 1 second when you are adjacent to them while the pickpocket animation is 2 seconds, so no way to do it. Idk about enemies in general, but the sheriff notices you before the pickpocket animation finishes.

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Re: [Suggestion] Sedit - Slip the hip flask with poison

Post by Daemon » Tue Sep 27, 2016 1:28 pm

Thank you for your suggestion.

You aren't automatically detected when you stand next to a NPC. But it makes you easier to be detected, that means you need very high sneak skill to be able to stay hidden. So pickpocket option is doable, but it's very hard. We'll make it easier, that sounds like something that needs to be improved.

btw. When you help ghouls, you can't get quests from sheriff's deputy.

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Re: [Suggestion] Sedit - Slip the hip flask with poison

Post by marsalandrei » Wed Sep 28, 2016 1:05 am

Well I tried with 115 sneaking, so if that isn't high enough I don't know what is. 70 was enough to rob his office but 115 isn't enough to stay right next to him, he detects me shortly after hugging him and initiates "What are you doing here" dialogue before I can look into his pockets. Anyway I am way past this but just remembered this odd thing so wanted to let you know. You are welcome.

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Re: [Suggestion] Sedit - Slip the hip flask with poison

Post by GarettZriwin » Wed Sep 28, 2016 2:31 pm

marsalandrei wrote:Well I tried with 115 sneaking, so if that isn't high enough I don't know what is. 70 was enough to rob his office but 115 isn't enough to stay right next to him, he detects me shortly after hugging him and initiates "What are you doing here" dialogue before I can look into his pockets. Anyway I am way past this but just remembered this odd thing so wanted to let you know. You are welcome.
I never even invested anything in sneaking, if you stay close to wall then you can rob him even with 10%. :P

Also, you tried to put that poison at night? It should be easier than during day obviously.

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Re: [Suggestion] Sedit - Slip the hip flask with poison

Post by Daemon » Wed Sep 28, 2016 3:55 pm

GarettZriwin wrote:
marsalandrei wrote:Well I tried with 115 sneaking, so if that isn't high enough I don't know what is. 70 was enough to rob his office but 115 isn't enough to stay right next to him, he detects me shortly after hugging him and initiates "What are you doing here" dialogue before I can look into his pockets. Anyway I am way past this but just remembered this odd thing so wanted to let you know. You are welcome.
I never even invested anything in sneaking, if you stay close to wall then you can rob him even with 10%. :P

Also, you tried to put that poison at night? It should be easier than during day obviously.
You need to be next to him in order to pickpocket him.

Yes, night makes it easier, but you propably still need more than 115 sneak skill. It depends on whether NPC sees you or not, which is handled by the game automatically. I'll change it so it's handled by the script. That way, we'll be able to set our own skill limit.

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