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[czubai]

- The guard at the gate (Sheriff at Sedit). It is possible to talk to the cop right behind the gate, even when the force fields are up. I don't think this should be possible, as it may fail the speech test and cause the cop to become hostile in a later attempt to enter the place (via rope). This may confuse some players if they fail to make the connection why the cop is hostile, and perhaps it would be better to move the cop a little further back from the energy barrier so that talking to him

Hi!

This is killing me atm, I can't enter the villa to progress the Sheriff's son quest.
I did manage to use sneak + combat mode to get out the 1st time (when you speak to the guard in combat armor, you get 'teleported' straight into the Sheriff's office to start the quest), but now I can't enter, the moment I get out of combat (even though I walk in sneak during my turn and end it in sneak mode well behind the guard's back), he starts combat with me.

I don't think it makes any sense for the guard to be aggressive just for speaking to him from outside the gate once, when I am now allowed to officially enter the villa.. so I consider this a bug.
Has this been addressed somehow maybe? This thread is the only mention of this I could find so far, but I guess it could've been buried under the sheer amount of text here.

(Thank you for making beautiful game!)

//EDIT

I did manage to get past him by investing all of my SP into sneak, pumping it up from 30-something to 101%...
I guess I can edit my save now to get those SP back, but it would be great to avoid that.

//EDIT2

Oh and now I can't get OUT because the forcefield doesn't go down when I approach it in combat mode anymore...

//EDIT3

Ok done it now lol.
I think the problem was that the forcefield was unable to detect my presence due to my high sneak.
I approached from the other side (instead of going behind the guard's back) to be closer to the field and further away from the guard - luckily that worked, the guard was unable to detect me in time even though I was right in front of him.
For anyone having this problem - make sure it's night time too.. so I guess this is our workaround for now.

[Muttie]

I don't think it makes any sense for the guard to be aggressive just for speaking to him from outside the gate once, when I am now allowed to officially enter the villa.. so I consider this a bug.
Has this been addressed somehow maybe? This thread is the only mention of this I could find so far, but I guess it could've been buried under the sheer amount of text here.

I'm building a house.

Anyway, kudos to you, not only for doing research, but actually finding something!

I did test this once and I got only attacked by the gate guard. If this is the same in your game, and you're working for the sheriff there should be still a rope from the ghoul quest, which you can use to leave and enter (between 22.00 to 4.00).

Still this is a semi-bug as no guard inside the place should be approachable unless the player is inside, too (i.e. an intruder). This one is just standing too close to the barrier and needs to be moved back a little.
Once the sheriff's son has been kidnapped you can actually talk to whoever, even with poor speech. They are all friendly (or worried). However, working for sheriff Carpenter does not seem to reset prior hostility, that's something that could be fixed perhaps. Although, I'm not sure of the scenario: (use rope, talk to guard, trigger hostility, retreat via rope without hitting anyone, then start sheriff's son quest, get invited into his home and get beaten up by the staff & servants). Would that be it?
(Btw, there are several other quests that may be foiled by this “bug”: sheriff's son, Tyler's last quest, kidnapping, nuggets and possibly necklace, too. However, outside of the “gate-guard bug” it's less of an issue as the player will see the consequence of failing speech immediately (& reload), rather than being suddenly surprised by it hours after triggering it.)
Another weird case may be to set the place alert and then go with Lucy. I tested that and the moment I approach the front gate I'm in combat with the guard. I was kind of hoping she would hit me in the kisser the moment I'm done kissing her. But no one (but the one at the gate) reacted which then triggered the entire place.

Anyway, talking of buried under a sheer amount of text,
Did you find the neat „bug“ of doing Tyler's quests and the kidnapping at the same time? All you have to do is start to talk to Tyler and then back out. The „I changed my mind option“ does not interfere with the kidnapping (as Tyler's quest normally does) and you can do both.
I still hope they are not going to patch this out.

Another neat trick is to use sex-appeal to free David. It's a bit complicated but possible, and possibly the only „non-violent“ option to free him. I was really thrilled when I figured that one out (i.e. there I am trying to break the game and find it plays along, opening another cool avenue to solve a quest. I've been amazed by this mod so many times. The amount of weird stuff it can handle and “tricks” it allows is really cool). Anyway, (you need to start William's quest and then there is an odd manoeuvring to avoid variables based on what you want to do, but it should even be possible to free David and work for Vex (possibly the only „option“ in the game to do so ) you just have to do it in the right order (William quest, get Vex quest, free & return boy, then end Vex quest). Pretty cool stuff.)

Another neat easter egg is using “binoculars” on Sabrina before the first time talking to her. Should enable a new dialogue option. But it seems to go nowhere. There is also a guns & bullets magazine in her place but I don't think it can be obtained.

There is also a prisoner in the Sedit police station one can barely click on to get some floaters. Which is also easily missed.

There is so much cool stuff in FoRes. I really have to go back to play some more of it and test out more (I just got sidetracked with other stuff like Fixt, MegaMod, Jackal and Last Hope). However, I learned a lot during those past 6 months (like how to read scripts and open msg files) and how FO works (engine, rules and such) in general. Helpful stuff really.

[czubai]

I did test this once and I got only attacked by the gate guard. If this is the same in your game, and you're working for the sheriff there should be still a rope from the ghoul quest, which you can use to leave and enter (between 22.00 to 4.00).

It's the same guard, unfortunately the rope is not appearing anymore after the ghouls left and told me about sheriff's son, so the gate is my only way in/out. :/
I will just cheese/cheat my way through for now.

Been looking for some teleport or NPC-removal abilities for F2 engine too to solve this but it seems such things don't exist.

Still this is a semi-bug as no guard inside the place should be approachable unless the player is inside, too (i.e. an intruder). This one is just standing too close to the barrier and needs to be moved back a little.
Once the sheriff's son has been kidnapped you can actually talk to whoever, even with poor speech. They are all friendly (or worried). However, working for sheriff Carpenter does not seem to reset prior hostility, that's something that could be fixed perhaps. Although, I'm not sure of the scenario: (use rope, talk to guard, trigger hostility, retreat via rope without hitting anyone, then start sheriff's son quest, get invited into his home and get beaten up by the staff & servants). Would that be it?

Yup, moving the guard to make speaking impossible from outside the gate will fix this.
Note that the 1st time you fail to make an excuse for being there as an intruder, you get kicked out as opposed to being attacked. Maybe not even the 1st time but every time?
I remember that speaking to him from outside the gate, obviously, did nothing in terms of kicking me out - and now he's just aggressive. So as you said I haven't reloaded or realized that this might've any consequences much later.

Resetting aggro might be a bit overkill - if a guard recognized you as intruder once, it does make some sense for him to attack later.. I guess.
Maybe there could be a new dialogue triggered when he spots you in which you can clear yourself of the intruder status once you're allowed to be there by the sheriff though.


As for the rest of you post, I stopped reading it because I haven't finished the game yet and don't want spoilers, sorry!
I do love breaking the Fallout engine's questlines a lot, trying to complete contradicting quests etc. and checking out the outcomes and how the game will cope.
Logic-proofing must be a tough job, I guess I could be a good tester (I actually write code and tests for a living, but not in games (yet!)).

[Muttie]

It's the same guard, unfortunately the rope is not appearing anymore after the ghouls left and told me about sheriff's son, so the gate is my only way in/out. :/
I will just cheese/cheat my way through for now.

That's unfortunate. I did remember that I once had the rope disappear too, but couldn't figure out why or how that happened. I did a test last night and apparently SPOILER: the rope can only be spawned while the „nugget“ quest is active, and if failing to do so, the option is gone when handing over the nuggets. But if the player spawns the rope at least once before that (enter map between 22.00 to 4.00), it should become permanent for the rest of the game (unless the player betrays the ghouls, then it disappears again).

Note that the 1st time you fail to make an excuse for being there as an intruder, you get kicked out as opposed to being attacked. Maybe not even the 1st time but every time?
I remember that speaking to him from outside the gate, obviously, did nothing in terms of kicking me out - and now he's just aggressive. So as you said I haven't reloaded or realized that this might've any consequences much later.

That's odd. I never had that. Whenever I talk to a guard (and don't have enough speech) or get spotted by Bruce (or talk to Lucy) without invite it immediately starts combat. And when I hit anyone it sets Sedit to hostile (i.e. Keri attacks me). The only time I got kicked out was when I refused to work for Bruce Carpenter (i.e. find his son), I think.

Resetting aggro might be a bit overkill - if a guard recognized you as intruder once, it does make some sense for him to attack later.. I guess.
Maybe there could be a new dialogue triggered when he spots you in which you can clear yourself of the intruder status once you're allowed to be there by the sheriff though.

My thought was that when being invited by Bruce Carpenter or entering the place arm-in-arm with Lucy Carpenter the staff/guards can't override that, even if they know the player is a crook. It's not that type of place where an employer can confront their boss in regard to security issues. It's just not their place to do so, and I think they would rather keep quite about it. Sedit has also a corruption theme and I think most of the guards don't care that much anyway. They do their job, but if the guy is let in by the boss's wife they probably just ignore it, declare it her problem/responsibility and try to get out of dodge in case things go south.
Another question, though, would be if resetting guard aggressiveness should become permanent or only be reset for the duration of the visit/invitation. Especially, in the case of Lucy the “peace” may be temporarily. First she probably doesn't care that much, and second, the guards may enjoy jumping the player who was parading up & down in front of their noses once the opportunity is there. In the case of Bruce Carpenter (and his quest) I think it should end the aggressiveness of all guards permanently, though, and enter the “pacified” state that is normal once the kidnapping started (especially when accepting the quest). However, once the bug with the gate-guard is fixed, this scenario of having triggered the guards but not the whole town is extremely unlikely anyway.

I guess, there could be a dialogue acknowledgement like “Guess, it checks out. [Grinds his teeth.] OK, you can go about your business, but I'll keep an eye on you.” But I feel they probably would rather stay quite or attack (bullies). They are not “proper” officers/guards who care about their duty, they are more trying to get by and collect a steady pay check.

As for the rest of you post, I stopped reading it because I haven't finished the game yet and don't want spoilers, sorry!