It occurred to me that I could do some research myself (what an unique concept ), and I read through the notes in Jorner's guide.
In Per Jorners Guide for FO2 it says the bonus is (PE-2)*8. Does that mean the same as doubling range? It does seem to list the same weapons.DoctorSticks wrote:Weapon Long Range - Doubles the effective range of the weapon (the distance at which the range penalty applies).
Actually I did which had me wondering which one is better.DoctorSticks wrote:I am not sure about the Sniper Pistol, you could probably do some tests.
The Sniper Pistol has a lower hit chances than the Sniper Rifle. So it probably doesn't have Long Range.
However, I decided to do some more testing:
Field test (pointing guns for half an hour at a trembling Gregory)
I took the same character (PE 6 and 80% with small guns, big guns and energy weapons) then stood in one place (the doorway to the bedroom) (with no one in between which is apparently -10%) and checked the to hit chance on Gregory (who has no armour I assume).
If a weapon differs from FO2 (Jorner's guide) I underlined) it.
Normal (-25%)
Zip Gun (range 15) 55% (if 7 hexes away: 79%)
Pipe Rifle (range 20) 55% (if 7 hexes away: 79%)
10mm Pistol (range 25) 55% (if 7 hexes away: 79%)
10mm SMG (range 25) 55% (if 7 hexes away: 79%)
Desert Eagle (range 25) 55% (if 7 hexes away: 79%)
Browning Rifle (range 30) 55% (if 7 hexes away: 79%)
Kriss Super V SMG (range 30) 55% (if 7 hexes away: 79%) Penetrate
Apollo Laser Pistol (range 35) 55% (if 7 hexes away: 79%)
Laserpistol (range 35) 55% (if 7 hexes away: 79%)
Ray Gun (range 20) 55% (if 7 hexes away: 79%)
Plasma Cannon (range 20) 55% (if 7 hexes away: 79%)
Light Grenade Launcher (range 40) 55% (if 7 hexes away: 79%)
Heavy Grenade Launcher (range 45) 55% (if 7 hexes away: 79%)
Normal II (-20%)
.223 Pistol (range 30) 60% (if 7 hexes away: 84%)
Accurate I (-25%) (+20%)
14mm Pistol (range 24) 75% (if 7 hexes away: 95%)
Accurate II (-20%) (+20%)
Sawed-off Shotgun (range 7) out of range (if 7 hexes away: 95%)
Shotgun (range 14) 80% (if 7 hexes away: 95%)
Combat Shotgun (range 22) 80% (if 7 hexes away: 95%)
H&K CAWS (range 30) 80% (if 7 hexes away: 95%)
Annihilator Shotgun (range 22) 80% (if 7 hexes away: 95%) Accurate
DKS-501 Pistol (range 40) 80% (if 7 hexes away: 95%) Accurate
Long Range I (-25%) (+32%) (aka (PE-2)*8)
Assault Rife (range 45) 87% (if 7 hexes away: 95%)
Laser Rifle (range 45) 87% (if 7 hexes away: 95%)
Minigun (range 35) 87% (if 7 hexes away: 95%)
Long Range II (-20%) (+32%) (aka (PE-2)*8)
Hunting Rifle (range 40) 92% (if 7 hexes away: 95%)
Sniper Rifle (range 50) 92% (if 7 hexes away: 95%)
Rocket Launcher (range 40) 92% (if 7 hexes away: 95%)
Scope Range (-20%) (+48%) (aka (PE-2)*12) (but 95% is max) (Penalty on 7 hexes or less)
Scoped Hunting Rifle (range 40) 95% (if 7 hexes away: 20%)
I then took another character (PE 7 and 6% on big guns and energy weapons), with more weapons, chose the same place (the doorway to the bedroom) (again with no one in between) and checked the to hit chance on Gregory.
Normal I (-17%)
Laserpistol (range 35) -11%
Plasmapistol (range 20) -11%
Plasmapistol (Ext. Cap.) (range 20) -11%
YK32 Pulse Pistol (range 15) -11%
Light Grenade Launcher (range 40) -11%
Accurate I (-17%) (+20%)
Light Plasma Rifle (range 40) 9% Accurate
Gatling Destroyer (range 40) 9% Accurate
Long Range I (-17%) (+40%) (aka (PE-2)*8)
Gatling Laser (range 40) 29%
Turbo Plasma Rifle (range 35) 29%
Minigun (range 35) 29%
Avenger Minigun (range 40) 29% Long Range
Long Range II (-12%) (+40%) (aka (PE-2)*8)
Anti-material Rifle (range 50) 34% Probably Long Range?
Addition (Throwing):
Shuriken 38%
Throwing Knife 38%
Addition (Melee):
Crowbar 24%
Louisville Slugger 24%
Vex's Knife 24% May have Penetrate? Same as “Little Jesus”?
Stun Baton 44% Accurate. Appears to be the same as the Cattle Prod. May also have Electrical Damage?
Not tested:
M249 SAW
Gatling Plasma (guess: Long Range?)
P95 Plasma Rifle (guess: Long Range?)
That's it.
Not sure how to test for penetrate though? Other than learning to read the hidden rule-book (aka code?).
Anyway, any comments (i.e. errors or omissions I've made in the above)?